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Changing from SLR to digital SLR (specifically a Canon 300D)

Created On: 08/09/2004 11:23 AM

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I think that using a digital SLR would be the greatest learning tool because of the ability to see the results instantly. I know that I would experiment a ton knowing that I was not burning pricey film and accruing high developing costs. Also, having the EXIF data available would be gold for a non note-taker such as myself. A few concerns:
    -The costs, when are the prices going to come down?
    -The ratio, I love landscapes and losing the wide-angle really hurts
    -How is the learning curve from a regular Canon to a digital Canon?


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You need to check out consumer economics more often; everyday the prices of the slrdigitals gets lower, and the cameras get better. There is a wide variety of things you can do with the digital, just like the old film cameras. Just check out the Canon website or Minolta or whatever manufacturer you like.
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Costs: There are rumours, that Canon will release a 3000D soon - a "little brother" of the 300D, for about $ 500-600. If this is true, it will be the next BIG price breaker!

Ratio: Lower ratios means bigger sensor, and bigger sensor means MUCH more expensive! At the moment: Canon 1D Mark II for about $ 4.500 with ratio 1.3, and 1D for about... (forget it!) with ratio 1. Prices: see Costs, but it will take a few years more for a digital SLR with ratio 1:1 at about $ 2000 (or less...) I think there is a pretty cheap Kodak with ratio 1:1, but it uses much cheaper sensors, resulting in more noise.

Learning Curve: Can't say much here, as I moved from a Minolta SLR over Canon G1/G2/G3 to the 300D. Had no problems with any of them... handling of the 300D is just perfect for me, even better now since I use the battery grip, which is VERY usefull for better balance of the camera with heavy zooms.


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DW, I have been a lifelong user of 35mm Pentax gear and recently went to a digital Minolta 7i and then to the Pentax SLR. Overall I have not used my 35 mm since and have shot almost 3800 images on my ist-D since December. I find the sensor ratio to be a bit of an issue now and then, although not often. My other annoyance has been sudt on the sensor. Other than that I love the results and the ability to turn my computer into a darkroom without the messy chemicals. I know I spent a lot of time researching my buy and would encourage to touch and feel each camera to see what bet fits you as well as hitting sites like dpreview.com and photographyreview.com for reviews on equipment in general. Good lukc with the your choice! If I can help please let me know. My handle is rainman on here!

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Originally posted by: Klaus Weber Costs: There are rumours, that Canon will release a 3000D soon - a "little brother" of the 300D, for about $ 500-600. If this is true, it will be the next BIG price breaker!
I'm kind of torn about the 3000D. On one hand it will be a less expensive digital SLR, on the other hand it will mean less features than the 300D and even scarier: a bigger ratio? I'm worried enough about the 300D's ratio so if they made it even worse I'd have to give up landscapes period or fork over big cash for an extra wide lens. Also, a 3000D would also mean the 300D would stay at or near the price it's at now...
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Ratio: Lower ratios means bigger sensor, and bigger sensor means MUCH more expensive! At the moment: Canon 1D Mark II for about $ 4.500 with ratio 1.3, and 1D for about... (forget it!) with ratio 1. Prices: see Costs, but it will take a few years more for a digital SLR with ratio 1:1 at about $ 2000 (or less...) I think there is a pretty cheap Kodak with ratio 1:1, but it uses much cheaper sensors, resulting in more noise.
Makes sense. Can't rush technology. Thanks for the information.

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Originally posted by: Mike Dawson DW, I have been a lifelong user of 35mm Pentax gear and recently went to a digital Minolta 7i and then to the Pentax SLR. Overall I have not used my 35 mm since and have shot almost 3800 images on my ist-D since December. I find the sensor ratio to be a bit of an issue now and then, although not often. My other annoyance has been sudt on the sensor. Other than that I love the results and the ability to turn my computer into a darkroom without the messy chemicals. I know I spent a lot of time researching my buy and would encourage to touch and feel each camera to see what bet fits you as well as hitting sites like dpreview.com and photographyreview.com for reviews on equipment in general. Good lukc with the your choice! If I can help please let me know. My handle is rainman on here!
I am REAL excited about having darkroom control over my shots. I despise letting a lab decide how to develop my photographs, how the negative is handled can be just as important as how the shot was taken. As far as touching and feeling different cameras, I feel that I am kinda locked into a Canon being that I already have a lens collection. Thanks for the information!

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Prices are already dropping from 2 months ago when I bought mine! I bought mine at the beginning of June for $839 and now its listed for $778!!!

Here is the link... http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=CNDIGRBL1855

I highly recommend going digital. I have shot over 2700 shots since I bought the camera! You can only imagine the expense that would have been if I had used film. It has been great for learning.

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One thing I should warn you about Digital SLRs and the 300D specifically because that is what I have, is to be very careful when changing lenses. I wasn't especially careful of this, and it got to the point where obviously dots started appearing all over my photos. These were caused by dust on the sensor. I read up on this at length and was told that if I send my camera back to Canon, they will just use a blower brush on the sensor to try and remove the dust, and more often than not this just agitates more dust and blows these particles onto the sensor too. I was told the best way to get rid of the dust was called 'open heart surgery'. This basically involved swabbing the sensor yourself, with an alcohol based liquid on some lint free clothes. This is obviously very dangerous territory because you run the risk of scratching the sensor and messing up the camera completely. I have had to do this 3 times now to my sensor because of dust repeatedly getting in there. So just a warning for what to expect if you change lenses a lot!

Obviously this problem would not occur with a 35mm SLR..

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Funny, I always hear about this stuff with dust on the sensor, for myself I had never a problem with it. But if there would be dust, personally I would NEVER EVER use anything where you have to touch the sensor to clean it!

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well I really didn't want to have to do that myself, but I tried all the other methods to remove the dust, and it didn't work, so that was the only option I had left. I swabbed it, and it worked fine, and has done the other times i've done this too. Got rid of practically all of the dust, and there were no complications This is obviously very risky though, which is why I am leaving my warning..

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I would pass on the 300D all together, Having shot 11058 shot's with mine I can tell you it's a TERRIBLE camera. The 10D BLOWS IT AWAY and is similar in price on ebay or a well priced internet store. SHooting indoors, on automatic or with flash on 300D is horrible. The 10D, perfect. And I wont even get into the action mode and BUILD quality etc on 300D compared to 10D....

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Gregg, what exactly is so terrible with the 300D!? The sensor is just the same, as in the 10D, so it can't be the image quality... of course, there are some weaknesses, but TERRIBLE...??

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Concerning cleaning your sensor, check out photosol.com. They make a product called "Sensor Swab" that is specifically designed for cleaning CCDs. The product is a bit pricey, but the most interesting thing at this site is a flash animation demo on how to clean your ccd chip. On the Photographic solutions web site, click "Product Line-up" and then click on "Sensor Swab." On the left side of the window, in a yellow box click on "Play Flash Demo."
To check and see if there is dust on your CCD, take a photo of the sky, either clear or gray, but it should be without detail (clouds). Any spots that you can see on the resulting image is dust on the CCD.
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Oops! One thing I forgot to add on the test for ccd dust. You can enhance the test image of the blank sky by opening the image in Photoshop and doing an "auto levels." CCD dust will stand out even more plainly.
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